Elizabeth Clare Prophet From The Heart Interview
The following is excerpted from the 1983 interview, From The Heart, with Elizabeth Clare Prophet where she expressed her candid and incisive views on the international forces promoting war.
A question that might be asked of anybody in the religious field: If there is a "just" God, how is it we had a Vietnam, a Holocaust, that we see the slaughter in Afghanistan and El Salvador?
Well, Habakkuk, the prophet of the Old Testament, asked the same question: "Why dost thou show me iniquity, for spoiling and violence are before me?"
The answer is that God deems free will paramount.
God did not create Vietnam. The unalert citizens of America allowed it to happen. We did not see through the machinations of the international power elite. We allowed left wing extremists to tell us to get out of Vietnam.1 We lost a war and we lost our entire self esteem. We gave billions of dollars worth of weapons to the other side.
We did Vietnam. God didn't do it.
God as a Principle of Life
Habakkuk says: God, "thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil." God is a principle of Life. He endows us with himself, with his flame and his consciousness, and he says: "I will dwell in you and walk in you—I will be your God and you shall be my people": Take dominion over the earth!
By denying our God "with us," we are denying the sacredness of Life. Without the internalization of our God, nothing is sacred and we are powerless to take dominion over ourselves, our children, and our world.
We're not making right choices because we don't listen to his prophets. We will not accept the teaching of Jesus Christ on reincarnation—John the Baptist was Elijah come again!2
Jesus taught reincarnation to his disciples and the churches deny it and they cut off the idea of individual choice, and therefore they cut off individual accountability which carries over from lifetime to lifetime.3
Making war and unbalancing the economy are man's acts, not God's. And man is accountable, individually and collectively, for what he allows to happen on planet Earth -in this life and the next.
Do you believe we should have continued the war in Vietnam?
I believe that we won the war long before the war was over. And the newsmakers, in a carefully engineered media blitz, made us believe that we had lost the war and that we should pull out.
We allowed ourselves to lose the war. We should have won the war without bloodshed, without this piddling around and loss of life for our failure to act decisively.
Pushing ahead to the victory, the slaughter would have been mitigated on all sides. We need not have had the shame upon our nation of almost four million dead at the hands of the Communists in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos between 1975 and 1980 after we abandoned the sweet people in North and South Vietnam. We would not have on our national conscience today close to two million pitiful refugees running from the Communist hordes nor the thousands currently in their "re-education" camps.
Are there any merits to socialism or to the Communist philosophy?
Regardless of the bravado of Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, and those pseudo-deliverers of the Sixties who proclaimed World Communism as the swift solution to all our problems, the people who know these international gangsters would rather die than live under their soul-suffocating brutality. This is the costly lesson of the compromise of Principle and of sympathy with the forces of totalitarian socialism which denies individual Christhood under God.
Who do you really think was responsible for Vietnam?
Since 1918, betrayers at the top levels of our government have authorized technology transfers by multinational corporations to the Soviet Union. This infusion of everything from ball bearings to advanced computers has literally built the Soviet military industrial complex.
We allowed our government to join other Western nations in the buildup of the Soviet Union. International bankers, including those at Chase Manhattan and Citibank of New York, have lent the Soviet bloc almost $100 billion—much of it guaranteed by the federal government of the USA. And that means you and me, the taxpayer.
If we had not allowed our government to approve these sales and back these loans, there would have been no Vietnam in the first place.
International monopoly capitalism is at the core of planetary war today. These multinational corporate directors and international bankers are actually controlling the chessboard of war on the planet—and they do it to keep solvent.
They couldn't bail out now even if they wanted to because if they did, they would cease to exist. (With billions of dollars loaned to nations that can't even pay back the interest due, they have to keep the money flowing for their own survival—and to grease the wheels of international trade.) Money begets Power and Power begets the need for Money in order to stay in Power.
Can you give any examples?
Soviet industry subsidized by the American taxpayer provided the North Vietnamese with the trucks, ships, guns, ammunition, tanks, and aircraft that were used to murder our boys in Vietnam. Each downed US plane meant another $50 million to either Rockwell International or Lockheed.
All told, big business reaped over $150 billion from the war while the American taxpayer was shackled with higher taxes and burdened with an inflationary economy.
Under the guise of 'peaceful trade' with the Soviets, U.S. firms like Arthur J. Brandt, Ford, and Austin built the Gorki, ZIL, and Kama River motor vehicle factories that sent tanks and trucks rolling down the Ho Chi Minh trail.
What can we do about this?
We have to understand what's behind it all. The 'Big Boys' designed for us not to win the war. So they had our men playing these little war games of just going around in circles and around in circles and around in circles in the jungles of Vietnam. It was like ring around the rosie and we all fall down.
A couple of good military offensives and the war would have been over and all of Southeast Asia might well be free today. But that's not what they wanted. They wanted blood, money, and power, and the breakdown of American self esteem and they got it.
How would you play the hand of the United States in Central America today [i.e. 1983], having learned our lessons from Vietnam?
It's a very difficult question. Large numbers of people are rallied around the forces of Communism because for hundreds of years, leaders in South America have betrayed them. They are the power elite.
You can't be for the rightists. You can't be for the leftists. Where are you going to position yourself?
The point of positioning is that every individual member of the human race has got to know that within himself is the point of Light who is Christ, and through that Person he can rise up in individual integrity.
He does not have to follow a military demagogue on the Right or a Castro on the Left. And he can build a society where there is equal opportunity for all without a totalitarian state.
See Elizabeth Clare Prophet on the sacredness of life.
1. G. Edward Griffin, The Capitalist Conspiracy (Thousand Oaks, CA: American Media, 1971).
2. Matt. 11:12-14; 17:12; Mal. 4:5
3. John 9:1-3